Tom (and please read this also everyone else following this discussion – you get a completely erronous picture of this conversation if you don’t also read what I write),
Do you read my posts carefully?
Les doesn’t response to everything I write and continues to ask questions that I already have answered.
Les wrote: “Tell me when and who anointed your ribbi as Ha Mashiac Melek”
I wrote this: Tell me where in Tana’’kh you find this requirement.
18/4 I wrote:
Your question regarding anointed I have answered here: Link.
19/4 I wrote:
Regarding anointed: I answered that in my reply about 12 hours ago.
You wrote: ”You disengenuosly posted:”
Since when did you get a full knowledge of my heart? I have not acted disingenously at a single point in this conversation. Please provide your proofs for your allegations – not merely assumptions – until then your statement is leshon ha’ra.
In the last post Les again wrote: “He fulfilled none of these and failed to gather the exiles, rebuild the temple, or to spread the knowledge of HaShem throughout the world.”
Messianic prophecis and Michah 5:2
Despite that I have already answered the first two of these statements in a previous post.:
Tana’’ch prophecies about the dual goings forth of the Mashiakh in Mikhah 5:2 [Documentation]. There are prophecies in Tana’’kh which clearly shows that the first coming of the Mashiakh wouldn’t cause all of the Messianic prophecies to be fulfilled [Documentation:Link 1; and 2]. The Mashiakh was prophecied to be cut off in the first century [Documentation] and this invalidates the interpretation that all of the Messianic prophecies would be fulfilled by the first “going forth” of the Mashiakh.
According to Tana’’ch the 3rd temple is spiritual [Documentation]. The gathering of the exiles has to a large extent already taken place. Many that claim to be Jews have been kareit [cut off] from the brit with ha-Sheim, since they are rejecting to do their utmost to keep the mitzwot of Torah [Documentation] non-selectively – and the prophecy is only about those whom are included in Am Yisraeil. E.g. there is no excuse for persons living outside of Israel to not do their utmost of fulfilling the mitzwah of settling Israel. Rejection of doing ones utmost to fulfil the mitzwah of settling Israel, being aware that this is a mitzwah, leads according to Torah to kareit from Am Yisraeil, until a person makes t’shuvah [Documentation]. This can also be learnt from the example of Eisau, Yishmaeil, et.al., whose relatives are not counted as belonging to Am Yisraeil [except those whom have converted]. I would move to Israel if I were allowed.
Addition: Spreading the knowledge of ha-Sheim is also done now through his restored teachings in Netzarim Reconstruction of Hebrew Matityahu, which describe how to relate to ha-Sheim. [Learn more here: Link]
Les is not replying to all of my statements, refusing to admit when he was wrong with his allegations and erronous statements and is repeating questions that I already have answered, which gives the impression to others that I don’t have answered the questions. He also comes with false charges like this: “Throwing out a couple of truths and claiming all you say is truth is like what the NT does.”, which I haven’t implied. Of course there is no such implication. Each point must be demonstrated which is also what I strive to do.
Those who only read Les responses gets a completely wrong picture of the conversation. That behaviour is not compatible with Torah and I will thus discontinue the discussion with him.
Jeff continues with his l’shon hara and I will not feed that. I have already refuted his l’shon hara in previous post/posts. I urge every reader of this forum to study www.netzarim.co.il and they will see that his allegations of my beliefs are false.
I follow the mitzwah of Torah:
מדבר-שקר תרחק
mi-d’var shqer tirkhaq; from a false-saying/matter distance yourself
If anyone wants to have an answer to his questions, then read the link that I provided demonstrating my claim. This makes the interpretation that the third temple is physical impossible and demonstrates that it is non-physical. This answers his question:
Messianic prophecis and third temple
“Eternal sacrifices by the Mâshiakh If the Har-Beit-ha-Sheim is spiritual [which is demonstrated in the article I referred to], its foundation, the Mâshiakh [demonstrated in the article I referred to], and its stones the nәphâshot of those doing their utmost to keep Torâh, then the eternal sacrifices by Mâshiakh, prophesied byY’khëzqeil (44.3; 45.16-17, 22; 46.2-18) can only be understood symbolically, in the spiritual sense.”
Tom wrote: “I know you brought in Isa 52:14, but lets face it, that interpretation/translation is a long reach.”
What do you base that on? Here are the bases of the translation: Link. If you think it is a long reach, then you should demonstrate which of the premises, which part of the translation that you are referring to and what in the analysis on this page that is wrong: Link (Put the cursor over the words of the translation in order to get the basis of the translation.). I have studied it and don’t regard it as a long reach.
Sincerly, Anders
Tom Moniz said:
Shalom,
Maybe I shouldn’t butt in, but I will 
Anders, why won’t you answer Les’ simple straightforward question? You disengenuosly posted:
Les wrote: “then tell me why he did not perform any of the prophecies that Mashiac is to fulfill? I”
He fulfilled parts of Y’shayahu 53, prophecy in Danieil 9. He fulfilled the requirement of genealogies [see my previous post which you failed to answer], which isn’t possibly to fulfil anymore.
Whereas the question Les asked was: Tell me when and who anointed your ribbi as Ha Mashiac Melek, then tell me why he did not perform any of the prophecies that Mashiac is to fulfill?
Why did you snip away the first part of his question, which he has asked over and over again? Why won’t you answer this, at least with a “well it doesn’t matter either way” response? I know you brought in Isa 52:14, but lets face it, that interpretation/translation is a long reach.
Sincerely,
Tom